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[klawzie]

Scientifically codified in the "Dunning-Kruger Effect":
http://en.wikipedia....93Kruger_effect

(from the article)

"Kruger and Dunning proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will:

• tend to overestimate their own level of skill;
• fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
• fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;
• recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they are exposed to training for that skill"

I recognize all of those steps. When I was a wee sprog (like, 17), I confidently entered online art contests thinking, "Oh, probably I won't take first place, but I may come in second or third with this." Goodness. No. No. It might not have been the worst piece in the bunch (it's been too long for me to remember what I was up against), but no where near the top.

Embarrassingly enough, it happened again a few years ago when exposed to pixel art. Thankfully, I didn't enter contests thinking I was going to blow anyone away, but I did think I'd pick it up in a heartbeat since, hey, I was a pretty decent artist in the drawn form. I have enough knowledge now to know that now I can spot good pixel work, but it's probably not going to be something I can add to my own skillset unless you want something 8bit or maybe 16bit.

[Argentee]

My steps are more like:

1) I suck at this
2) I'm worse than I thought
3) I've gained some skills and have hit a major road block
4) I get some help over that roadblock, and achieve a workmanlike, but uninspired proficiency.

[buglips*the*goblin]

I don't have that problem. I'm awesome in every way, and my entourage of well-compensated goons make sure I hear that a lot.

They're all like: "Boss, you're totally awesome in every way."

And I'm all like: "Thanks, Knuckles, now I don't have to make an example out of anyone today."

{{{living in a bubble}}}

[Exwilly]

I don't have that problem. I'm awesome in every way, and my entourage of well-compensated goons make sure I hear that a lot.

They're all like: "Boss, you're totally awesome in every way."

And I'm all like: "Thanks, Knuckles, now I don't have to make an example out of anyone today."

{{{living in a bubble}}}

hey whatd i tell you about calling me knuckles boss. you are the best but stop calling me knuckles pretty please

[buglips*the*goblin]

hey whatd i tell you about calling me knuckles boss. you are the best but stop calling me knuckles pretty please

Sure thing, Fingers, whatteva youse say.

[Baphomet69]

I don't have that problem. I'm awesome in every way, and my entourage of well-compensated goons make sure I hear that a lot.

They're all like: "Boss, you're totally awesome in every way."

And I'm all like: "Thanks, Knuckles, now I don't have to make an example out of anyone today."

{{{living in a bubble}}}

Holy crap! I knew it! Buglips is Obama!

Hi-Ho! Hi-Ho! Off to Beekeepers we go... Or I could just go sit in the corner...

[ced1106]

Won't help everyone, but buried in this Warstore sale are some paint sets (and miniature terrain). Shipping is a flat $6. The Mantic paint set looks like a solid basic paint set.

http://www.thewarsto...W%2C+SPG%2C+WSW

EDIT: Two different Mantic paint sets available, although the colors overlap:
http://www.thewarsto.../irsmantic.html

[TheAuldGrump]

Scientifically codified in the "Dunning-Kruger Effect":
http://en.wikipedia....93Kruger_effect

(from the article)

"Kruger and Dunning proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will:

• tend to overestimate their own level of skill;
• fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
• fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;
• recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they are exposed to training for that skill"

I recognize all of those steps. When I was a wee sprog (like, 17), I confidently entered online art contests thinking, "Oh, probably I won't take first place, but I may come in second or third with this." Goodness. No. No. It might not have been the worst piece in the bunch (it's been too long for me to remember what I was up against), but no where near the top.

Embarrassingly enough, it happened again a few years ago when exposed to pixel art. Thankfully, I didn't enter contests thinking I was going to blow anyone away, but I did think I'd pick it up in a heartbeat since, hey, I was a pretty decent artist in the drawn form. I have enough knowledge now to know that now I can spot good pixel work, but it's probably not going to be something I can add to my own skillset unless you want something 8bit or maybe 16bit.

My steps are more like:

1) I suck at this
2) I'm worse than I thought
3) I've gained some skills and have hit a major road block
4) I get some help over that roadblock, and achieve a workmanlike, but uninspired proficiency.

The last time I was in a local painting competition my thoughts ran:
1. I won't win first place, I will likely place third.
2. I might win best unit.
3. Won third place. Won best unit.
4. Wished we had folks in the local competition that could really kick me arse. I am decent, but on a scale of 1 to 10 I rate myself as a solid 7, sometimes an 8. The overall winner was a solid 8, not a 9.

The good thing is that I have to keep adjusting my scale - folks are getting good at applying paint to metal. I used to rate myself as a solid 8.

The winner used non metal metal painting techniques, which I do not like. Looked good, but not my cuppa. The person taking second was better, in my estimation.

The Auld Grump

[Heisler]

Scientifically codified in the "Dunning-Kruger Effect":
http://en.wikipedia....93Kruger_effect

(from the article)

"Kruger and Dunning proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will:

• tend to overestimate their own level of skill;
• fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
• fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;
• recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they are exposed to training for that skill"

I recognize all of those steps. When I was a wee sprog (like, 17), I confidently entered online art contests thinking, "Oh, probably I won't take first place, but I may come in second or third with this." Goodness. No. No. It might not have been the worst piece in the bunch (it's been too long for me to remember what I was up against), but no where near the top.

Embarrassingly enough, it happened again a few years ago when exposed to pixel art. Thankfully, I didn't enter contests thinking I was going to blow anyone away, but I did think I'd pick it up in a heartbeat since, hey, I was a pretty decent artist in the drawn form. I have enough knowledge now to know that now I can spot good pixel work, but it's probably not going to be something I can add to my own skillset unless you want something 8bit or maybe 16bit.

My steps are more like:

1) I suck at this
2) I'm worse than I thought
3) I've gained some skills and have hit a major road block
4) I get some help over that roadblock, and achieve a workmanlike, but uninspired proficiency.

The last time I was in a local painting competition my thoughts ran:
1. I won't win first place, I will likely place third.
2. I might win best unit.
3. Won third place. Won best unit.
4. Wished we had folks in the local competition that could really kick me arse. I am decent, but on a scale of 1 to 10 I rate myself as a solid 7, sometimes an 8. The overall winner was a solid 8, not a 9.

The good thing is that I have to keep adjusting my scale - folks are getting good at applying paint to metal. I used to rate myself as a solid 8.

The winner used non metal metal painting techniques, which I do not like. Looked good, but not my cuppa. The person taking second was better, in my estimation.

The Auld Grump

Come to Genghis Con in Denver in February. I guarantee a run for your money in the painting competition. If not Denver then Denton in April.

[TheAuldGrump]

Alas, local for me is Portland, Maine.

Been a few years, anyway - the store that ran the competition has now closed its doors.

For that matter, the store after that store has since closed its doors....

I guess that this is not a good area for game stores....

I really want to see Jen Haley's work in person though.

The Auld Grump