Quick question for the Reaper folks - I'm vegan and a fair number of my friends are vegan. They occassionally get together for craft nights to socialize and I was thinking of getting some minis to paint. However, I was concerned that the paints might contain animal products like gelatin, lanolin, bone, ox gall, squid ink, etc... and I'd rather be able to say the paints I'm using are ok rather than "I don't know" if someone asked. Would it be possible to find out if any of the colors contain animal products and which ones to avoid if it is a concern for me?
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Rob
Animal products in paints?
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 03:17 PM
Quick question for the Reaper folks - I'm vegan and a fair number of my friends are vegan. They occassionally get together for craft nights to socialize and I was thinking of getting some minis to paint. However, I was concerned that the paints might contain animal products like gelatin, lanolin, bone, ox gall, squid ink, etc... and I'd rather be able to say the paints I'm using are ok rather than "I don't know" if someone asked. Would it be possible to find out if any of the colors contain animal products and which ones to avoid if it is a concern for me?
Thanks,
Rob
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 04:29 PM
PM Vaitalla for that answer.
Thanks, will do.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 10:47 AM
Wow. That is something I would never have thought about.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 05:03 PM
>I'm vegan and a fair number of my friends are vegan, I was concerned that the paints might contain animal products
are you gonna drink the paints?
are you gonna drink the paints?
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 06:19 PM
>I'm vegan and a fair number of my friends are vegan, I was concerned that the paints might contain animal products
are you gonna drink the paints?
Nope. But a lot of vegans won't purchase or use items that contain animal products at all, regardless of whether it is food, clothing, cosmetics, or paint.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 06:23 PM
>I'm vegan and a fair number of my friends are vegan, I was concerned that the paints might contain animal products
are you gonna drink the paints?
Are we not supposed to do that?
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 07:56 PM
I probably need to find out if the non-Master Series brushes have synthetic hair or not...the Master series are sable, so thats a no-go.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 08:03 PM
If you want synthetic you should check your local craft store, most of the brushes they sell will be that type. Be aware that synthetics just don't last as long so if acquiring them is hard for you, meaning store is far away or via online means you might want to pick up more then one. My synthetics only lasted 3-4 months on adverage.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 08:31 PM
I checked with Anne and she says there are only inorganic compounds in both lines of paint, acrylic, latex, silica and the pigments are chemical. The formula is proprietary but you can request an MSDS sheet from Reaper.
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 04:46 AM
I probably need to find out if the non-Master Series brushes have synthetic hair or not...the Master series are sable, so thats a no-go.
The Pro Brushes (red/orange handle? been a while since I bought one) should be golden taklon synthetics. The learn to paint kits may contain red sable brushes.
You will get inferior results from the synthetics, but with practice you can probably get decent results from them. However, I do immensely respect you sticking to your guns thoroughly in your choice of materials.
Because of that respect, I should point out that you may also wish to clarify what the mold release agent is. I don't know what Reaper uses and if it's synthetic or not, but there are some resin/metal manufacturers (especially limited-run cottage/garage kits) who use animal-based oils/tallows/fats for their release agent. It's a bit of extra work trying to establish that, but at least you won't wind up unknowingly breaking your principles.
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 09:20 AM
How far along in the production process do you look for contamination?
I'm wondering if the wood or the paint of the brush handles is produced without any animal products.
Petroleum products are certainly involved at some point, so there should be concern that the pollution from those processes would harm animals, including humans, even if only via additional pollutants in the environment.
And there's the non-renewable resource angle: What if the process to shave the bristle-bearing animals (sable, weasels, boar) is less destructive to wildlife than the factory processes used to create synthetic brushes?
I'm wondering if the wood or the paint of the brush handles is produced without any animal products.
Petroleum products are certainly involved at some point, so there should be concern that the pollution from those processes would harm animals, including humans, even if only via additional pollutants in the environment.
And there's the non-renewable resource angle: What if the process to shave the bristle-bearing animals (sable, weasels, boar) is less destructive to wildlife than the factory processes used to create synthetic brushes?
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 09:31 AM
I think this maybe pushing to far. He asked about what's in the paints and we answered that. Any other requirements are up to them to deal with. Otherwise this could easily get pushed into beekeepers.
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 11:35 AM
I checked with Anne and she says there are only inorganic compounds in both lines of paint, acrylic, latex, silica and the pigments are chemical. The formula is proprietary but you can request an MSDS sheet from Reaper.
Acrylics and latex are both organic, as are virtually all polymers. (There are some non-organic silicon-based polymers, but they aren't especially common.)
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 11:39 AM
Based on the initial question though I think we are only dealing with direct animal products at this stage.
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