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[Sergeant_Crunch]

1) I can't find any specific mention anywhere in the rules, do strikes require the FiST model to have LOS to the target?

2) Does performing a Target Lock provide a the bonus to strike resolution? (FREX a Kahn TLs a target, then calls an Orbital Pinpoint Strike. Does the strike resolve at d10+4 as shown in Appendix E or at d10+7, d10+4 with an additional +3 from the TL?)

[Spartan6]

1) I can't find any specific mention anywhere in the rules, do strikes require the FiST model to have LOS to the target?

2) Does performing a Target Lock provide a the bonus to strike resolution? (FREX a Kahn TLs a target, then calls an Orbital Pinpoint Strike. Does the strike resolve at d10+4 as shown in Appendix E or at d10+7, d10+4 with an additional +3 from the TL?)

1) It never has in the past but we did experiment with doing it that way and actually sort of liked it better.

2) Gooooood question! I can see it being applicable on an artillery strike and to a lesser extent on an air strike... An orbital strike could definitely benefot from precise target data.. Hmmm

[Castlebuilder]

Those came up during the review for the final beta, but to my knowledge no answers were given. I've got two more questions while we are at it.....

1. How far can you see into/through a woods? In Warlord it was 2"/1" for light/heavy woods, but I can't find anything in CAV II other than the +1/+2 cover bonuses.

2. Somone else pointed out the statement at the beginning of unit upgrades that unless otherwise stated, the cost was per damage track. The costs for certain items seem like they would be quite pricey if that was the case. Can we get a clarification on this please?

Castlebuilder

[Sergeant_Crunch]

Regarding woods, we played a game the other weekend with a bunch of light woods on the table and played it as cumulative -1 for each forested area on the table that LOS went through (we play with templated forest areas rather individual trees) and that LOS could be made through forest areas. If the model was in a forest it incurred the penalty, a penalty for each area it passed through, and another if the target was in forests. In some cases there was a total of a -3 penalty for forest cover (the firer in a forest, and intervening forest area, and the target in a separate forest area). It worked ok, but didn't quite feel right. Since 1" in N Scale is 13 1/3 feet, it might be a bit short for obstructing LOS to a 30 foot tall stompy robot. Or maybe just that any LOS going completely through a forested area blocks LOS.

The rules really only discuss situations where other models or solitary terrain features like hills/ravines and buildings block LOS and state that everything else is based upon agreement between players. For tournament play, this will probably need to be spelled out in the event description to avoid conflict. Any insight from the Denton playtesters???

[Castlebuilder]

It worked ok, but didn't quite feel right. Since 1" in N Scale is 13 1/3 feet, it might be a bit short for obstructing LOS to a 30 foot tall stompy robot. Or maybe just that any LOS going completely through a forested area blocks LOS.

It sounds like you are doing the same thing we are Sarge, And I agree that it just doesn't feel right doing it that way. LOS for fist strikes has also been a big issue with no answer yet.

Castlebuilder

[vejlin]

Do you get defensive fire against a FIST team that calls in a strike on you?

[Emmel Eitch]

1) I can't find any specific mention anywhere in the rules, do strikes require the FiST model to have LOS to the target?

Yes

2) Does performing a Target Lock provide a the bonus to strike resolution?

No

[Sergeant_Crunch]

Follow-up question: If the target is jamming, does that have an effect on Strikes?

[Emmel Eitch]

Follow-up question: If the target is jamming, does that have an effect on Strikes?

No (for now)

[Sergeant_Crunch]

Thanks for the feedback EE!

[merlonc]

Since FiST strikes are a special action is it correct than a section does not have to perform fire actions and fist strikes at the same time?

Thanks

[Erion]

In general, it has always been stated that all damage causing effects occur at the same time, and thus all must be declared before any dice are rolled or any results are known.

Unofficially, of course.

[Chrome]

I don't think that's the way it works Erion. I used to think the same way, but there was a thread sometime last year on the Warlord forums about damage from different types of attacks resovling individually. Like if you had archers and melee units in the same troop and they all attacked the same buff Warlord. You resolve the Ranged Attacks first and all damage is applied. Then you move your H2H guys in and they get to attack using the Warlords now lowered DT stats. I /think/ that's how its supposed to be. At least in Warlord... the final step for each type of combat's resolution chart is apply damage.

In CAV:
For Ranged Attacks it states (page 89 of the rules) that "All damage takes affect after all Ranged Attacks and Defensive Fire have been resolved."
For Close Combat step 6 of the resolution chart is "Apply all damage." (pg 97)
It never states specifically when Strikes resolve, so I'd follow the existing formula and apply it as soon as the Strike(s) resolve.