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[merlonc]

Read rule #3 - can only use it for non-unique models.

This is probably one rule that will keep me from ever trying to collect a warlord army. I don't get to play often, once every couple of months, and it is usually at events held at the asylum when I do. There are too many uniques and warlords that I would like to use to fit my theme or because I like the concept but I do not like the model and would rather use what I like from the reaper line.

In general I really dislike the whole "name the characters" idea. I want to select the name, model, and background for my forces myself. Not play reaper's designers ideas of characters. I have no problems using their stat lines and even force composition but do not appreciate being told what model I have to use and feeling like they are in control of the story and background of my army, not me.

I think warlord is a fun skirmish level game but it is very unlikely that I will buy any warlord mini's to build an army with the current restrictions on proxy, so I doubt I will be picking this game up. Unless the local Asylum hosted events officially do away with rule #3.

A current avid CAV player

[Reaperbryan]

Read rule #3 - can only use it for non-unique models.

I think warlord is a fun skirmish level game but it is very unlikely that I will buy any warlord mini's to build an army with the current restrictions on proxy, so I doubt I will be picking this game up. Unless the local Asylum hosted events officially do away with rule #3.

A current avid CAV player

Whew! What a relief!! You're referring to local Asylum-hosted Warlord events! (I bolded the part where you say that).

See, what's even more awesome about these 5 simple rules is that they only apply to ReaperCon and GenCon.

That's it. These rules apply to the two Offical Major Tournaments only. Black Lightning hosted tournaments, events, or random games at their local stores, clubs, conventions, garages, basements, etc are not required to conform to these 5 rules in any way, and The Asylum is no different.* Actually, the last I checked, there was no BL organizing Asylum events, they are organized by non-BL Reaper staff and therefore are under no compulsion to include any of these rules, let alone all of them.

I invite you to please come to the Asylum with whatever army build you want, violating rule 3 all you feel you need to. All I ask is that sportsmanship be maintained, and that substitute models representing Card A be distinguishable from models representing Cards B-Z. You know, Don't use the exact same model for your leader as your hero as your grunt as your solo, etc.

*Notice I say "are not required". It has been brought to my attention that some Black Lightning Activity Coordinators use some or all of these rules at their local events. And that is their right. Coordinators of activities may establish rules that pertain to their activities. However, my point, that the weekly Asylum games do not mandate that these rules be adhered to, remains valid.

[merlonc]

Read rule #3 - can only use it for non-unique models.

I think warlord is a fun skirmish level game but it is very unlikely that I will buy any warlord mini's to build an army with the current restrictions on proxy, so I doubt I will be picking this game up. Unless the local Asylum hosted events officially do away with rule #3.

A current avid CAV player

I invite you to please come to the Asylum with whatever army build you want, violating rule 3 all you feel you need to. All I ask is that sportsmanship be maintained, and that substitute models representing Card A be distinguishable from models representing Cards B-Z. You know, Don't use the exact same model for your leader as your hero as your grunt as your solo, etc.

Thanks,

I have been playing in the Indy Fantasy tourney's for years and fully appreciate the need to clearly differentiate when using proxies and conversions.

am going to plan on coming to the tourney this month and bring the Elf I army I like (I plan to use Kyra and Lavarath for the dragon warlord and some other reaper mini to proxy for dehanis the druid) and I am going to start looking for something to proxy Elf Rangers, I will probably borrow some vale archers from a friend for now.

[Ironhammer]

Hello, I have been a lurker on the board for a while, but this is my first post in about a year.

I have been hatching plans for the possible formation of an elven army that would use both centaur archers and wariors. I was thinking of using the DHL centaur archer (02088) for both, with an appropriate weapons swap for distinction. Would such a conversion be adequate to conform to rule four? This is assuming that I intend to use them in official reaper events and that I intend to continue using the figures once the actual models come out.

[rgtriplec]

Hello, I have been a lurker on the board for a while, but this is my first post in about a year.

I have been hatching plans for the possible formation of an elven army that would use both centaur archers and wariors. I was thinking of using the DHL centaur archer (02088) for both, with an appropriate weapons swap for distinction. Would such a conversion be adequate to conform to rule four? This is assuming that I intend to use them in official reaper events and that I intend to continue using the figures once the actual models come out.

Yeah, they would be fine as they are DHL models, so they would always be legal proxies.

Somewhere... I think over at reapergames.com there is a document that delves into conversion rules. In essence it says as long as you can recognize the torso and legs you are free to convert the rest and it still be official.

Also if you plan to make a Chiral, centaur captain... he will not be official for ReaperCon or GenCon once his figure comes out... because you can't proxy leaders, but you could still use it as a regular centaur.

[Qwyksilver]

Also if you plan to make a Chiral, centaur captain... he will not be official for ReaperCon or GenCon once his figure comes out... because you can't proxy leaders, but you could still use it as a regular centaur.

Not entirely correct.

You can proxy ANY model that is NOT unique: Leader, Grunt, Solo, Adept, Elite, etc.

A Model that is Unique in one list, but not Unique in a sublist, for example, proxying Hill Giants in a Noghra (Goblin) list would be legal, but not in a Grand Reven list.

Or for rgtriplec's specific example. You could proxy Chiral in a Woodland's Protector Sublist, but not a default Elven list.
Chiral is a default Unique Model, but becomes non-Unique in Woodland's Protector.

The only Models that are automatically prohibited are Warlords, since they are all Unique and none change status.

And again, this is for Reaper Con and Gen Con only. Friendly games are fair game to proxy as much as you want. Local events are at the discretion of the BL running the event.

Your specific question about using the same model but converting it to two different figures. Since one is a warrior and the other archer, it's a pretty clear distinction just on the weapon so you would likely be okay. I'll double check with the PTB to confirm though so you don't start doing all the work and then find out otherwise. If you were using the same model, unconverted, for them, this would definitely be a problem.

[Reaperbryan]

I certainly wouldn't have a problem with it as long as you made the two models distinct enough that you couldn't say "no, this one over here is Cheral" and then half way through the battle go, "No, Cheral's this one. He's leading this charge, that guy over there is a regular dude."

[rgtriplec]

Also if you plan to make a Chiral, centaur captain... he will not be official for ReaperCon or GenCon once his figure comes out... because you can't proxy leaders, but you could still use it as a regular centaur.

Not entirely correct.

You can proxy ANY model that is NOT unique: Leader, Grunt, Solo, Adept, Elite, etc.

A Model that is Unique in one list, but not Unique in a sublist, for example, proxying Hill Giants in a Noghra (Goblin) list would be legal, but not in a Grand Reven list.

Or for rgtriplec's specific example. You could proxy Chiral in a Woodland's Protector Sublist, but not a default Elven list.
Chiral is a default Unique Model, but becomes non-Unique in Woodland's Protector.

The only Models that are automatically prohibited are Warlords, since they are all Unique and none change status.

And again, this is for Reaper Con and Gen Con only. Friendly games are fair game to proxy as much as you want. Local events are at the discretion of the BL running the event.

Your specific question about using the same model but converting it to two different figures. Since one is a warrior and the other archer, it's a pretty clear distinction just on the weapon so you would likely be okay. I'll double check with the PTB to confirm though so you don't start doing all the work and then find out otherwise. If you were using the same model, unconverted, for them, this would definitely be a problem.

I wasn't sure about the Woodland sublist because when you use the Data Card search tool and mark non-unique for the Woodland sublist, Chiral does not appear... according to the DCS tool he is still unique.

I figured uniques and adepts that turned into non-uniques and grunts in other lists that they were actually neither or both and had to follow certain rules of both.

Its good to know that non-unique and unique do not work correctly in the DCS tool because I use it all the time.

[Qwyksilver]

Its good to know that non-unique and unique do not work correctly in the DCS tool because I use it all the time.

It's not so much that it doesn't work correctly, it just wasn't designed to make all those changes.

It's something I asked Gus about when he started the card search. The results shown are based solely on the default Data Card. To include all the permutations based on Unique>non-Unique/Adept>Grunt/etc for each list/sublist would have become a nightmare. So, when you select a Faction sublist, it is the Models that are legal for that list, but it uses their default Data Card from Chronicles.

To confirm whether a Model's status changes for a particular Army, use the Army Lists found in Rage Chronicles 2007.

Edited by Qwyksilver, 19 October 2007 - 07:06 AM.

[Gus Landt]

Updated rule #3 to allow any non-Warlord models to be proxied. Please proceed to your nearest Dark Heaven vendor and stock up!

[Amalor Myrnnyx]

Updated rule #3 to allow any non-Warlord models to be proxied. Please proceed to your nearest Dark Heaven vendor and stock up!

Does this mean an update is in the works for the generic data cards?

[Gus Landt]

Updated rule #3 to allow any non-Warlord models to be proxied. Please proceed to your nearest Dark Heaven vendor and stock up!

Does this mean an update is in the works for the generic data cards?

Just the opposite. I encourage anyone interested in the generic stats to instead search the Rage Chronicles and find the closest stat block to what you wanted to create, and use proxy models.

[joshuaslater]

Although Warlord is not my first game of choice, I will say that there is almost nothing out there that you can't find a stat card for and play it in the game. There really is an insane amount of variety to the troops now that everything has been updated.

[Qwyksilver]

I'm expecting to see some really wild and creative armies now. Whether they be freelance or faction specific.

[Amalor Myrnnyx]

I'm expecting to see some really wild and creative armies now. Whether they be freelance or faction specific.

Oh, like say, Elbreth Eveningstar posing as Drizzt Do'Urden, and combining forces with Mother Superior Kristianna?

Hmm. I may have to try that ...