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[Erion]

Hmmm, I wonder how many bottles of MSP Breonne Blue it would take to paint my living room...

You know, if you take a sample of it to Lowe's or Home depot, they can color match a gallon or two of their interior flat paints for you...

I did it to get some paint to match my chartreuse Fiestaware...

[Stubbdog]

Well, it turns out my Vallejo:Master Series equivalency chart was accidentally wiped off the face of the server. I will now cry and begin attempting to reconstruct.

--Anne

I did a copy paste of that table into an excel spreadsheet at home. I will send it to you in an email when I get home tonight.

[L337Dwarf]

Does anyone here have a comparison of colors between MSP and Pro paints? I need to know golds, silvers, browns, blondes (yellows), black, white, blue, green and reds.

[Vaitalla]

Dwarf, go to post #9 in this same thread and you'll see the Pro Paints equivalencies. It's been a while since I updated them so I'll try to get to that within a few days.

--Anne

[Vaitalla]

Updated Post #9, Pro Paint Equivalencies, 4/10/06.

--Anne
p.s. working on the Vallejos

[smokingwreckage]

SO, does anyone know off the top of their head, which triad would be like VMC Deep Green? It's a nice green.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

I was wondering is there is a Reaper equivalent of Vallejo Model Color Smoke? I've always wanted to try that one out.

[Vaitalla]

No VMC Smoke yet; not sure if we'll get one, as it's a transparent so it would have to go into a Clears triad. Will think about it.

Deep Green...I don't remember the color, I'll have to go home and dig my Vallejos out of the closet again. Is it more blue or more yellow, muted or bright, light or dark? Can you give me a color from another line that's close and say how it's different?

--Anne

[pae]

I've found something with MSPs that's close to VMC Smoke...requires some additives, though.

3 parts Liquitex Matte Medium
6 parts Water
1 part MSP Blackened Brown

Thanks for the tip about Matte Medium, Anne! Was there a plan to have an MSP Matte Medium in a future additives triad?

From the Vallejo Website, here's the swatch for deep green: which looks pretty close to to me. Then again, the Vallejo swatches seem to be off a bit, usually.

[smokingwreckage]

No VMC Smoke yet; not sure if we'll get one, as it's a transparent so it would have to go into a Clears triad. Will think about it.

Deep Green...I don't remember the color, I'll have to go home and dig my Vallejos out of the closet again. Is it more blue or more yellow, muted or bright, light or dark? Can you give me a color from another line that's close and say how it's different?

--Anne

Well, it's a bit greener than that swatch shows up on my monitor; that looks a bit like Dark Angels Green, Deep Green isn't so muted or black. It's probably close to the shade colour in one of the green triads, but all that warm/cool stuff confuses me, even when I can see the difference, calling a colour warm or cool is like calling a cat more or less egglike- the description just never "takes" in my brain. It's like the deep GW green, that isn't Dark Angels Green, but I cant remember the name, and my bottle here is an old old one and has a different name anyway....

...maybe I'll just buy some more RMS and see.

[angus147258]

I'm looking for the RPP equivs of these RMS paints:
Muddy Brown
Tanned Leather
Marigold yellow
Amber Gold
Golden blonde

Thanks!

[Vaitalla]

Unfortunately, since Master Series is the later line and has far more colors in it, there are no equivalents for those colors. Many of the Master Paints colors were created precisely because I felt that they were missing from the Pro Paint line, in fact. That said, Hawkwood may be close to Tanned Leather, and a mix of Desert Gold/Griffon Tan with Hawkwood and Dragon White added to various degrees would probably mix you the Tanned Leather/Amber Gold/Golden Blonde colors with a bit of experimentation. There is, sadly, not even a near equivalent for Muddy Brown in Pros; Woodland Brown would be the closest.

Hope that helped!

--Anne

[PaintByNumbers]

So... where's the MSP equivalency chart to Foundry? heh heh heh

But seriously... are there any Triads that happen to be about the same? Was there any consideration to matching or improving upon their triplets ?

[Vaitalla]

So... where's the MSP equivalency chart to Foundry? heh heh heh

But seriously... are there any Triads that happen to be about the same? Was there any consideration to matching or improving upon their triplets ?

Unfortunately, nope. I tried the Foundry paint as a prototype and again later on and was frankly not impressed with it. If someone brought me a full set I'm pretty sure I could set up a rough equivalency chart pretty easily, but I would need wet samples in order to do so. Which is why you see Pro Paint and GW equivs (and Vallejo in progress), because I own all those lines, so I can readily compare!

I will also admit to bias re: the equivalency charts. Though Foundry is used widely overseas it's difficult to get here, and Foundry painters I have known who have tried Vallejo or MSP's have gone over to those lines in preference to Foundry. To me, that says that Foundry is not as much of a factor in today's market, so I'm less concerned about matching them. But mostly it's the lack of wet samples, because if you put a paint in front of me I can tell you within ten seconds which MSP will be an exact or close match--sometimes not even that long! There we go, the ReaperCon '07 Challenge--somebody bring along their Foundry paints and I'll do an equivalency chart!

On the plus side, I seem to recall that their line is smaller, so they were probably more successful at making sure that the intervals between shadow, midtone, and highlight were consistant and they probably don't have the problem of some colors being very close to others (which I've just started to run into). The downside to that is if you're working at 28mm or larger and looking for non-block painting you probably will want to mix 50/50 colors between each step.

--Anne

[PaintByNumbers]

But water based paints have a color shift when they dry; so how can you be sure you are visualizing the dried film color? And a wet sample just shows you the mass tone, what about colors that are usually used translucently?

Must be an Artiste thing :O

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the problem of some colors being very close to others (which I've just started to run into)
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That's what I'm getting stuck on when I look at my Rack-o-Reaper. I've arranged them by hue as well as I can by looking thru the bottles (still need to put paint on the bottom of all the bottles, kinda doing it as I use them).

When I discover that a Triad is too close to really see the difference, fundamentally I'm back to mixing colors -- ie grabbing three bottles and hoping they end up working together.

That comprehensive chart of which are warm vs cool might help that.

Foundry has 175 colors (plus black & white). But even with the "discount" when you buy the entire line at once, it comes to $575. And it will be raised in September.

I wonder if I can find a Foundry to GW chart; then to the MSPs that have close Pro Paint equivalencies...

Or the partial MSP -> ProPaint chart, then ProPaint to GW.

I'm visualizing a spreadsheet now... My head hurts. GW -> VGC -> VMC -> Cote de'Arms...